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Star Gazers

by John Williams

Gallery: LandscapePosted August 4, 20173,449 views19 comments

The Milky Way over Mt. Hood and white pasqueflowers taken from Elk Cove.

These dark images are tricky, because the viewing environment matters a lot. I process the larger version NPN allows first, for the darker background it is displayed on. I then try to get the smaller version to match, when viewed on the white background NPN uses. Sometimes it works better than others. I recommend clicking on the image above to view the larger version on the darker background; it is more what I intended.



And for those of you not into the whole brevity thing:

My prior camera was a Nikon D80, and the several times I attempted night photography with it the resulting pictures were pretty much unworkable. I probably would have had better success with it if I had stacked images, but I didn’t know about stacking at the time.

The D7100 I’m using now is a not-so-new generation camera with an APS-C sensor; while it is dramatically better than the D80, it still struggles a bit with low light compared to a new full-frame sensor camera. It survivable with the sky, but really struggles in the shadows of the land. To get around the camera’s limitation with low-light photography, this is a frankenphoto.

I took three foreground images around 8:30 pm, and blended them for depth of field. It was quite breezy out; I used the bright, indirect, light for a faster shutter speed and to minimize noise.

Although the foreground had indirect lighting when I shot it, the mountain was in full sunlight. I waited a bit and shot an additional photo of the background at around 9:00 pm to capture it in indirect light.

Leaving the tripod and camera where they were, I went back to camp and had a bit of a nap. I returned to shoot the Milky Way at around 11:30 pm. The sky is a stack of five images to reduce noise and increase clarity. I aligned the images by hand, which was a pain. In the future I need to explore, and learn how to use, stacking software. (Any suggestions on a good program for a Window’s computer??)

I always find processing night images to be a bit baffling. I really like the way images look when you can see the Milky Way brighter than with the naked eye, and enough detail and color in the land portion to enjoy the beauty lurking there. I would never argue that “that is how I saw it at the time” though; I always see it darker. In addition, I prefer more blue than what scientists say the true color of the night sky is. I suppose in the end it is a bit like black and white imaging; you start with what the camera records and work from there.


Nikon D7100
Nikon 12.0-24.0 mm f/4.0 at 12 mm (18mm equiv.)
Blend of three foreground images for DOF taken at 0.3 sec. at f/16 and ISO 100, one image of the mountain in indirect lighting at 3.0 sec. at f/16 and ISO 100, and five images of the sky at 20.0 sec. at f/4 and ISO 2200

 

Comments

19 comments
Comment posted by Dan Schwartz on August 4, 2017 at 5:45 AM
John,
The large version is definitely much better, and I really like it. The blue tint is noticeable, but OK with me, night shots look like that. I do see a couple small bright blue spots in the flowers that seem out of place. I think you have done a fantastic job in blending the multiple exposures.
 The GIF is not cycling at all for me. I only see one dark shot.
 
Registered on September 29, 2016, 23 Posts, 97 Comments
Comment posted by Paul Breitkreuz on August 4, 2017 at 6:02 AM
John, I applaud all your effort and overall craftsmanship here. This in the larger version is a wonderful night time scene. Just enough viewing in the FG items to seem natural to the eye IMO. Very nice work.....laugh
Registered on February 25, 2006, 525 Posts, 8448 Comments
Comment posted by John Williams on August 4, 2017 at 9:28 AM
Thanks Dan and Paul. The GIF doesn't seem to be working, so I deleted it. Here are the three different exposures in a jpg file for comparison.
Registered on September 6, 2007, 221 Posts, 5985 Comments
Comment posted by Nick Bristol on August 4, 2017 at 9:37 AM
John, This is so cool looking and I'm totally enjoying the larger version. I like the blues tone as it has real nighttime feel for me. This composition looks great and you did some excellent work pulling this one all together. Cool image!

Nick Bristol
Lone Rock, WI.
Registered on February 1, 2004, 752 Posts, 14140 Comments
Comment posted by Marylynne Diggs on August 4, 2017 at 11:55 AM
Hi John,
This is fabulous.  There is so much to love here: the incredible milky way, the old man of the mountain flowers (western pasque, but prefer the more anthropomorphic name) looking at the scene, with the viewer seeing it from the perspective the the flowers.  The purple on the flower tips adds some magic, which I like.  The only suggestion I have would be cloning out the two very bright stars near the upper left corner. They pull my eye unnecessarily.
ML
p.s. how were the bugs?
Registered on December 14, 2010, 122 Posts, 1034 Comments
Comment posted by Richard Teller on August 4, 2017 at 2:46 PM
I really like the image and the vision you captured in it. I also appreciate you skill and patience in getting the images and in putting them together. Very good.
Registered on August 23, 2010, 1162 Posts, 6692 Comments
Comment posted by gary phillips on August 4, 2017 at 7:31 PM
Both technically and aesthetically very well done, John.  The amount of forethought and effort to pull off this image is admirable.  Love the natural look of the foreground,  which I like much better than light painting.  Leaving your camera and tripod while taking a nap back at camp, would seem to be a little stressful, but i sure like the result.  I find it still carries your signature look even though it's a night image.  Beautiful work.
Registered on October 24, 2013, 185 Posts, 4136 Comments
Comment posted by Brian Schrayer on August 4, 2017 at 7:56 PM
I like the composition, John.  This is a good example where a 50/50 split works well as both the Milky Way and the foreground flowers carry significant visual weight in the scene and both are necessary for the success of the image.  Overall your processing looks really nice as well and the blending looks seamless to my eyes.  While I understand that you processed this to look more on the blue side, I could see warming up the color balance at least a little.  But take that for what it's worth.  enlightened

On a gear related note, you might keep an eye out for the prices of the D750 or the D810.  The D750 is priced pretty well right now at $1,796 at B&H.  The D750 is a great little camera and does very well in low light.  It has a nice balance of resolution, dynamic range and low-light performance all of which are beneficial for landscape photography.  It would also handle very similarly to your D7100 so you wouldn't have to get used to a whole new layout.  Of course, we could also see further price drops on the D810 once the D850 is officially announced or becomes available. 
Registered on May 28, 2004, 114 Posts, 2890 Comments
Comment posted by Dan Kearl on August 4, 2017 at 10:03 PM
Technically very well done.
Shooting in dark is challenging, equipment helps a bit.
I tend to shoot night images at way higher Iso's and do all in processing.
Your approach works really well, a challenge as you say.
Overall, I feel the image needs some CW rotation, not just the FG but the mountain seem tilted.
The processing is outstanding, the blending is superb.
Registered on September 2, 2013, 209 Posts, 1514 Comments
Comment posted by Michael Lowe on August 5, 2017 at 3:16 PM
Really nice, John. Well thought out and processed. I like the blue look of the larger image much better. Maybe a little more bottom FG detail as seen in the smaller version?devil
Registered on February 11, 2004, 777 Posts, 5252 Comments
Comment posted by Tony Kuyper on August 5, 2017 at 6:20 PM
Turned out to be a wonderfully dramatic image.  I think what you describe isn't so much the frustration of processing a Milky Way image but rather the normal "dialog" that goes on between the image and the photographer during processing.  The image is telling you what it needs and you need to be able to listen and figure out a way to give it what it wants.  Your communication skills appear to be well-developed.
Registered on November 1, 2003, 364 Posts, 22328 Comments
Comment posted by Ed Lowe on August 5, 2017 at 9:44 PM
This is a well thought out gorgeous image, John. Your processing is superb and the blue tones in the scene look very natural to me. Outstanding work.

Ed
Registered on February 7, 2004, 414 Posts, 7115 Comments
Comment posted by Mark Seaver on August 6, 2017 at 10:26 AM
John, your technique and processing here are great.  This view feels to me like what I'd expect to see after sitting in the dark for 15 minutes in a quiet, remote location letting my eyes adjust to the darkness.  At that point, I expect to see the landscape and it's details dimly but clearly and the vast array of stars shining brightly.  I especially like that you've got the colors in the sky reflecting off the snow on the mountains and even so subtly off the flowers.  The large version against the dark surroundings does this the best.

It's been about 3 years, but I tested Photoshop 6, Zerene Stacker, and Helicon Focus for stacking.  In macro work, Photoshop ALWAYS includes some soft areas in the middle of sharp regions.  You usually have to go to 1:1 to see them, but they are definitely there.  Zerene required me to create TIFF files of all images and then delete them once the stacking was done.  Helicon fully automates the Tiff creation and removal (at least in working from Lightroom).  Helicon also will import and export .dng files.  Helicon's touch up tools are useful, but can be amazingly slow at times.  Both Helicon and Zerene provide 30 day trial versions for free.
Registered on January 23, 2011, 1103 Posts, 17270 Comments
Comment posted by Anil Rao on August 6, 2017 at 11:35 AM
Beautiful concept and execution. The landscape is gorgeous and the color and mood compliment the night sky perfectly. Really enjoyed studying this photograph.

Thanks also for your notes on the making of this image. It is appreciated very much.
Registered on November 15, 2003, 234 Posts, 4923 Comments
Comment posted by scott lanz on August 6, 2017 at 10:35 PM
Fine image, John. Well taken and processed for a very natural look. devil
Registered on November 14, 2003, 840 Posts, 12902 Comments
Comment posted by Lucy VanSwearingen on August 10, 2017 at 12:28 AM
Very nice blending of the 3 images!
Registered on May 23, 2009, 800 Posts, 2042 Comments
Comment posted by Kah Kit Yoong on August 11, 2017 at 12:02 AM
Beautifully constructed image. The balance of lighting levels is perfect. 
Registered on September 27, 2006, 636 Posts, 10682 Comments
Comment posted by Kathy Barnhart on August 19, 2017 at 12:54 PM
This is such a stunning image, John. I love the way you managed to capture how it really feels in the dark seeing with our eyes. The blue adds a nice touch.

Thanks very much for the long and detailed explanation of how you did it. I am very impressed with the effort this kind of image takes and certainly hope to gain the patience, skill and perseverance you shared. Your efforts were worth it.
Registered on November 11, 2011, 404 Posts, 1639 Comments
Comment posted by Igor Doncov on August 19, 2017 at 4:03 PM
I really admire the amount of work that must've gone into combining the 3 images. I gather that the sky came from the first, the mountains from the 2nd, and the rest from the 3rd. Although the night sky is usually black the land does have a cold look to it and making it all bluish does seem to work pretty well. Since you've provided all the sources it makes it easier to see what I would have done differently. And there isn't much because this is so interpretive. However, I would have removed the pink off the snow in the center left. In addition, and I don't feel very strongly about this, I would desaturate the blue snow just a tad and see how that looks. The same goes for the tops of the fg plants. Again, since the blue in the image is so interpretive the changes are subjective, meaning there is no right or wrong here.
Registered on November 22, 2014, 189 Posts, 2733 Comments