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To Photoshop or Not w/Repost

by Craig Strand

Gallery: Photo ArtPosted March 27, 2013419 views21 comments
"Thank you" for visiting this posting of a pair of Ring-necked Ducks. I am seeking more then a regular critique, I would like your opinion on what was done to create this image.
As wildlife/bird photographers we sometimes are challenged in ways that our cousins (landscape, floral, etc photographers) are not to get what we might call the "Ideal Image."
Being an avid birder I am always thrilled when my subject, once located, presents himself in an uncluttered, well lit pose and setting, and I'm in position to capture a good image. You may agree that the "ultimate" prize would be to capture both the male and female of a specie, both in the same frame with great DOF, lighting and all the other components. Unfortunately, I have found that this rarely if ever happens.
So my friends I have a confession and I have sinned, again! The Ring-neck Duck pair is a composite of 2 images, the drake and the hen. They were shot 3 days ago and at the time I posted the hen by herself. NPN photographer John Clulow suggested that she might look better with her image being "flipped horizontally," which I did and liked. I later processed the drake in photoshop and realized the lighting and water were almost identical (they were shot within 1 minute,) and so I decided to spend the hours required in Photoshop to bring the pair "together."
In 12 years of bird shooting this is the 4th time I have photoshopped a pair into one image and my question is "WHAT TO YOU THINK?"
I use to think in terms of PS processing as sort of a "purist" perhaps you do too. Normally I limit myself to as little use of PS, filters, etc as possible Just the minor adjustments of contrast, NR, white balance, sharpening, etc. So when this major use of PS in merging 2 images together is used is it OK, acceptable? I should point out that I always label the few I have done as "composite images" and advise customers they are looking at 2 photo's.
Please tell me what You think. If it's accepted practice to improve an image by cloning out parts when necessary. . . is it OK to "add?"

Shooting Data identical for both images - canon 7D, canon 600mm f4.L +1/4TC F9.5 1/500 ISO 400

Comments

21 comments
Comment posted by Dennis Plank on March 27, 2013 at 7:53 PM

As long as people know that that's how the image was made, I don't have a problem with it, Craig. You did a sweet job on this one.

:toast:
Registered on January 28, 2008, 1767 Posts, 23192 Comments
Comment posted by John Clulow on March 27, 2013 at 8:02 PM
Personally I like it, especially since you mentioned my name.
But seriously, Craig, except for the errant feather over in the lower right corner, this is a really nice image.
Registered on November 1, 2012, 155 Posts, 1079 Comments
Comment posted by Nate Chappell on March 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM
A lovely pair Craig, I think it's fine as long as you are labelling them composites. :toast:
Registered on February 1, 2006, 1158 Posts, 19528 Comments
Comment posted by Richard Ditch on March 27, 2013 at 9:30 PM
For me this is no longer a nature image but instead photo art. Labeled/disclosed as you have done is proper.

Unfortunately, I have found that this rarely if ever happens.


For me that's one of the pleasures of nature photography - spending enough time in the field with my subjects until it does happen and I capture it.

I put myself in the minimal PS camp as I have stated many times before on NPN and I rarely clone out anything more than flotsam on the water's surface. I believe that it is never acceptable to add content from another image.

The work you've done on this image is very good, and I like the two separate images - just not artificially together. The only aspect I find unnatural in this composite is the comparative lack of distortion of the drake's reflection as compared to the gen's.
Registered on November 1, 2003, 1031 Posts, 12705 Comments
Comment posted by Angela McCain on March 27, 2013 at 10:33 PM
I'm good with it, Craig. Who are the people who seem to deserve to know how an image was made? I think if you are entering a contest and the rules specifically prohibit this kind of processing, then follow the rules. If the website demands that you label it, then do so. But if you are producing an image for other people's enjoyment. Let them enjoy it.

It's kind of like knowing how the magician does his tricks. It's no longer magic. And it's no longer fun.

Go for it.
Registered on April 19, 2009, 367 Posts, 3589 Comments
Comment posted by Danny on March 27, 2013 at 11:28 PM
Mate, trust me I go way beyond what you have here :), but I make it pretty obvious as well. Slightly different. Like Dennis, as long as it disclosed, there is no issue, Its when you don't disclose it and someone notices, well its not a nice experience from what I've seen. So this if fine and it makes a great result Craig. Nice work and shot

Normally I would say post it in the photo art forum here, but this is a new take on it.

All the best Craig and wonderful result.

Danny.
Registered on November 25, 2003, 165 Posts, 1345 Comments
Comment posted by Mia McPherson on March 28, 2013 at 6:44 AM
Craig,

If you like the results enough to print this and hang it on a wall, I would say do it.

If it is being posted into a forum where it says to disclose the composite, cloning, etc, I would say disclose it.

If this is being sold, I would say to disclose it to the customer.

For me though, this is more photo art than a realistic image. When I look at this I can tell it is a composite, especially in the head reflection of the drake and how the concentric ripple of water surrounding the hen doesn't look natural when it reaches to the male.

Personally I think these two images would make a huge splash printed individually and hung on a wall side by side.
Registered on June 25, 2007, 491 Posts, 12566 Comments
Comment posted by Rick Turner on March 28, 2013 at 10:14 AM
I agree with Richard that this be3comes photo art when manipulated to this extent. :eek:
I like the results but the circular water pattern does not continue into the reflection naturally to my eye. Thjis is a sellable capture as long as the buyer knows it is Photoshopped. :jump:
Registered on February 18, 2012, 534 Posts, 2755 Comments
Comment posted by Hans Overduin on March 28, 2013 at 1:58 PM
First of all let me tell you that you did an outstanding job in PS ! I am not the one telling people what to , so I am totally fine with this. Of course , if you play somewhere with this image - play by the rules and when they are 'disclose' then to that (and that's what you did). So" well done on all fronts ! Cheers, Hans
Registered on August 31, 2011, 491 Posts, 3807 Comments
Comment posted by Jim Hackley on March 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM
I think as long as you disclose that it is a composite in all uses of this photograph that to me would be the right thing to do.
Since I transitioned from a landscape photographer to a bird/wildlife photographer I have found myself appreciating an image more knowing that it had minimal post processing. This tells me the photographer knew what they were doing out in the field versus learning a software application. Coming across those rare occasion's when everything comes together is what motivates me to keep on getting out there.
Registered on September 17, 2009, 302 Posts, 5535 Comments
Comment posted by John Sherman on March 28, 2013 at 6:53 PM
I like that you prompted this discussion. And thanks for the disclosure. Personally, I think Mia's suggestion of presenting it as a diptych is the best solution. I think composites like this devalue the real images we all try so hard to capture. That said, the value of the real capture for me is as much or more in the being part of the moment as it is in presenting the image later. When a composite is made, that part of the experience is not there. So perhaps I shouldn't feel cheated when somebody sells a composite or trained animal actor shot as I know they aren't getting the (as I see it) deeper experience of witnessing and documenting the moment. I like that this just came up as I recently blogged on a photoshop indiscretion of my own http://www.vermphoto.com/blog/2013/3/the-cop-and-the-artist (I hope I'm not violating any posting rules here) and would be honored if the NPN crew would weigh in on the comments page of that blog. I ended that blog kinda vague, but since then and since joining NPN my feelings about what I find acceptable or not has come into focus (but maybe with the speed of the old 80-400).

Bottom line: if you're going to take the time to make a composite and you want sellable results, go for a polar bear smooching a penguin, way more marketable than Ringnecks.
Registered on March 10, 2013, 31 Posts, 142 Comments
Comment posted by Craig Strand on March 28, 2013 at 9:16 PM
I appreciate all of you that took a few moments to express your comments on this posted "composite" image. I knew that the subject of changing an original image by adding, deleting or "tweeking" any aspect of a valued original image has crossed all of our paths at some point. As an artist, photographers take pride and ownership of their work and I agree that it's possible, through processing, to move a well executed image beyond the the realm of "pure untouched artistry" and into the category of "Photo Art."
The comments left reflect a wide gamut of opinions on the subject and personally believe each has strong merit. Overall, I must agree with the purist thinking, it's best to spend enough time in the field to eventually capture the difficult shot. I will ask the galleries moderators to please move this posting to the "Photo Art" Gallery where l believe it belongs.

Thanks again everyone, Craig
Registered on March 30, 2008, 416 Posts, 2885 Comments
Comment posted by Nate Chappell on March 28, 2013 at 9:31 PM
This image was originally posted in avian and Craig asked me to move it photo art, since it's a composite.
Registered on February 1, 2006, 1158 Posts, 19528 Comments
Comment posted by Kirk Greene on March 28, 2013 at 11:29 PM
A thought provoking thread with different points of view expressed logically. You have to love NPN! :toast:
Registered on May 12, 2004, 191 Posts, 1578 Comments
Comment posted by Marc Ward on March 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM
Hey Craig, Welcome over to the Photo Art Forum. Obviously, we have no problem with composites here so I won't speak to the philosophy of this. One technical aspect though.... You might want to run the smudge tool through the edge of the reflection of the drake where the large ripple intersects the image. This will match up the way the water plays on both the images.
Registered on February 26, 2009, 304 Posts, 1365 Comments
Comment posted by Craig Strand on March 30, 2013 at 7:20 PM
Hi Marc,
I just wanted to thank you for the suggestion on using the PS "smudge" tool to do a better job on the water ripple/blur effect on the drakes reflection. I knew of the smudge tool years ago, but never had a need to use it until now and I think it worked pretty well. Don't get "Old" you'll start forgetting about all the great tools available in PS.
Regards, Craig
Registered on March 30, 2008, 416 Posts, 2885 Comments
Comment posted by Vincent Grafhorst on April 2, 2013 at 2:03 PM
I agree that as long as you disclose this information no one can have a problem with that. You could ave fooled me ere, which means your PS work is great (especially on the repost!)
Registered on February 24, 2006, 504 Posts, 7203 Comments
Comment posted by Howard Cheek on April 8, 2013 at 9:10 PM
Big congrats Craig, very nice work to bring these two together so seamlessly..
A match made in PS heaven :wink:
Very well done! :toast: :toast:
Registered on July 24, 2008, 1201 Posts, 10758 Comments
Comment posted by Paul Rebmann on April 9, 2013 at 7:00 AM
Craig,
This is probably more Photoshopped than I would do (although I have made composites to satisfy a full moon landscape request), my style being more towards the realistic. But I do not think it is 'wrong' as long as you are not hiding the fact. I like Mia's idea of individual images as a set.

Paul
Registered on July 17, 2012, 31 Posts, 122 Comments
Comment posted by SandyRichardsBrown on April 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM
In Photo Art, "anything goes." Excellent job with this composite, and I have no problem at all with the merging of 2 images when disclosed.
Congrats on the WP!
Sandy
Registered on November 24, 2003, 3937 Posts, 12909 Comments
Comment posted by Catherine Reilly on June 8, 2013 at 6:47 PM
Craig, I completely agree that full disclosure evens all accounts for artistic license. Beautiful result on this image!
Registered on August 16, 2006, 603 Posts, 9192 Comments