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YNCH with 2 crawfish
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YNCH with 2 crawfish

by Angela McCain

Gallery: AvianPosted May 8, 2012402 views16 comments
Sugar Land TX May 2012

SEE LARGER IMAGE. PLEASE HELP WITH PROBLEM.

I posted a problem with this image in the forum. Some replies for a "fix" but I need to understand the problem so it doesn't recur (If possible) I processed with beta version of new Photoshop necessary to read images from the D4. But I don't think that in and of itself is the problem. Trouble compressing image to post. Cattle Egret I posted a few days ago same image size (about 20mb RAW) reduced without problems. 1200pixel larger post on this image required reducing to image quality of 4 to get under 500kb. The 720 pixel image would never go below 400kb. I checked to make sure I changed to 8bit. I eventually used the apple software on my computer to resize, so quality is still low but size limit was met. Even with the Apple software full quality was 357kb and the next click down reduced it to 107kb. So that is what you are seeing in the smaller version.

D4. ISO 1600 500/4 with 1.4x tc f5.6 1/2500s. From Car Window. Cloudy day.

Comments

16 comments
Comment posted by Philip Hodgkins on May 8, 2012 at 9:26 AM
Angela, a lovely BIF of the YCNH. You should not have this kind of problem with a 16.2 MP image, unless you have a metadata file full. Do you use "Save to Web"? Which Bicubic algorithm do you use to reduce? I have been using Save to Web since CS2, and am satisfied with the results almost without exception. With CS5, I used bicubic smoother to reduce, sometimes bicubic sharper. So far with CS6, I am using bicubic auto.

Also, I will sharpen selectively and use a light to medium lens blur of the BG (when I can), sometimes NR, to get a slight blur. That has a dual function of improving bokeh and reducing upload weight, saving the quality for the subject.

I have found over time that I can go to 70% of full quality without a significant drop in visible quality; although in practice I try to stay above 80%. For the 720 image at 300 MB, my quality improves by 8% to 11%, still remaining under the 300 MB limit. All of the above with a 12.2 MP D300S. You should be able to do at least as well with the D4, even at 16.2 MP.
Registered on July 24, 2006, 2741 Posts, 12349 Comments
Comment posted by Angela McCain on May 8, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Thank you for your help. Hopefully some of this will work. After hundreds of uploaded images you'd think I'd seen it all.
Registered on April 19, 2009, 367 Posts, 3589 Comments
Comment posted by Richard Ditch on May 8, 2012 at 12:47 PM
I like the image: a subject we seldom see in a flight photo; nice position; nice setting; nice composition.

I checked the EXIF in the image and it appears to be the standard info. Watch out for settings in Photoshop that save a lot of history stages (not showing up in your image as far as I can see). I have no problem keeping my 1200 px images under 500Kb, and my 720 px images under 200Kb while including EXIF. There's no reason you shouldn't be able to as well.

Remember that jpeg compression works best when there are large areas of very similar pixels in the image: the algorithm uses a single value to represent adjacent pixels with slightly different values rather than unique values for every pixel. If the image has fine texture (like the feathers on the subject or each blade of grass in the background is different from its neighbors) then you will have to go to a higher level of compression to get under the posting size limit.
Registered on November 1, 2003, 1031 Posts, 12705 Comments
Comment posted by Scott Frye on May 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM
Hmm - my eyes see a very nice flight picture where the heron pops from that green background. I would not know what to say other than "nice picture"
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Comment posted by Verdon on May 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM
three thumbs up!!! :wavey: :toast: :wavey:
Registered on June 10, 2011, 147 Posts, 1444 Comments
Comment posted by Alan Murphy on May 8, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Excellent flight shot Angela. Love the crawfish and the spalshes off the feet.
Registered on December 3, 2003, 192 Posts, 739 Comments
Comment posted by Charles Gangas on May 8, 2012 at 5:42 PM
Great BIF of this Yellow-crowned Angela. Nice to get the bird with prey and the water drops off the feet add nicely to the action in the image.
Registered on August 12, 2009, 544 Posts, 2414 Comments
Comment posted by Barbara Graham on May 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM
Wonderful flight photo, so very clear and sharp.
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Comment posted by Ray Whitt on May 9, 2012 at 9:21 PM
Outstanding Angela, I don't think I've ever seem a flight shot of a YNCH. Excellent work!

Ray
Registered on May 27, 2011, 92 Posts, 2619 Comments
Comment posted by Nate Chappell on May 10, 2012 at 12:42 AM
I remember this spot Angela, sweet flight shot and the crays are a bonus. I'd agree with what a couple of others have said, the grasses in the bg are probably the culprit in terms of the image having so much detail and selective sharpening of the bird is the way to go if you aren't already doing so. :toast:
Registered on February 1, 2006, 1158 Posts, 19528 Comments
Comment posted by Jim DeWitt on May 10, 2012 at 11:52 AM
A really lovely flight shot, Angela. And not a species we often see in flight. Regarding your compression problems, I'd guess it is the high level of detail in the grasses that is driving up your JPEG compression. Remember the .PSD file size isn't very relevant to the size of the JPEG. Depending on how you have Photoshop set up, you can have all of your earlier manipulations saved in the .PSD version, allowing you to "Undo" the las few changes you've made.

Here's my workflow when I have happy with the image in PS and ready to save it for posting:

1. Select "Save for Web & Devices" from the File menu.
2. Click on the little list icon in the upper right of the save dialog, and select "Optimize for File Size"
3. Select 500K for the 1200 pixel image.
4. Usually, I end up knocking the Quality number in the dialog down one more point to accommodate the EXIF data I embed.
5. Click on the Save button.

This leaves the .PSD version unchanged. Then re-size to 720px and repeat for the 200KB version.

HTH.

Jim DeWitt
Registered on August 28, 2006, 1240 Posts, 8506 Comments
Comment posted by Luca Mussato on May 10, 2012 at 5:30 PM
I like the image as you posted. I can add one more point to your question: every time you add sharpness to an image you add informations that increase the file size. one method to reduce this extra infos is:
* double your picture resolution size (if it is 700px/in double it to 1400 )
* enlarge to 100%
* add sharpness
* downsize to the original size
this last will add the necessary sharpness but the information saved are less what they were if you did it directly at 700px. this works also for the selective sharpening.
Registered on November 14, 2006, 118 Posts, 855 Comments
Comment posted by Angela McCain on May 10, 2012 at 6:20 PM
Thank you all for this information and lots of good ideas.
Registered on April 19, 2009, 367 Posts, 3589 Comments
Comment posted by William Bickle on May 11, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Hello Angela

The Image is Eye-popping great!! two crawfish & the Water falling from the large feet Really makes this for me!!!

TFS

Bill
Registered on June 13, 2011, 183 Posts, 1702 Comments
Comment posted by Bill Leggett on May 11, 2012 at 5:27 PM
Very good timing on this, Angela. I'm not sure why you're having trouble with the file size, as it seems to be relatively simple in terms of color. I use CS4 and save for web, and an image like this would have no trouble getting to a reasoable size.
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Comment posted by Geoff Powell on May 12, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Amazing night heron flight shot. Well done.
Registered on March 20, 2012, 21 Posts, 170 Comments