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predator and prey

by Dan Baldwin

Gallery: AvianPosted July 23, 2010162 views10 comments
I happened upon this osprey at the right moment and this is one of a series from hunt to capture. I like this one for the rawness of the predator/prey relationship. The first time I looked at it I was quite upset by the expression of terror that seems to be on the fish's face... I'm still bothered by this and wonder about glorifying this aspect of nature. . life feeds on life .. I know.

That aside, the image seems to be sharp and seems to capture the action. The left claw dangling below the fish is distracting. This is about a 50% crop of the original. OK, I'm ready now to hear about what I could have done better :smile: (seriously.. it hurts momentarily but helps in the long run) :toast:
Nikon D3S, 500mm f/4 + TC1.7, ISO 3200, f/16, 1/1250s, 0EV, aperture priority... the camera/lens combo was resting on top of the open passenger door.

Thanks,
Dan

Comments

10 comments
Comment posted by Jim DeWitt on July 24, 2010 at 12:09 AM
My belated welcome to NPN, Dan. I look forward to your comments.

A very nice capture of an intense moment. Your shutter speed froze the moment well, but your high ISO or your exposure cost you some detail in the whites under the wing and down the thigh. I have a hard time anthropomorphizing a squawfish - excuse me, a pike minnow - but I understand the sentiment. One of my favorite authors touched on the issue.
Registered on August 28, 2006, 1240 Posts, 8506 Comments
Comment posted by Nate Chappell on July 24, 2010 at 12:11 AM
That's a good sized fish he's pulling out Dan, nice action you captured well. You didn't need such a small aperture here - F16, I would have shot it about 1 stop down from wide open which would have left you about F9 and you could have knocked down your iso a bit. I'm not sure but some of the whites on the flank look like they might be blown out - if they are you could go back to the raw file and try to recover them by reducing the exposure or using recovery. All that said, it's still a sweet action shot! :toast:
Registered on February 1, 2006, 1158 Posts, 19528 Comments
Comment posted by Dan Baldwin on July 24, 2010 at 1:35 AM
Thanks so much for your nice advice !
...I should have noted that this situation came up so fast that I had to use my previous camera settings (f/stop in particular). If I could do it all over again, I probably would have preferred auto iso,manual exposure, f/8 and 1/2000 with a -1.0EV. Would have made about a 1 stop minus exposure ?

I agree that the flanks need toning down... they are certainly at the limit. I have not done a lot of PP on this, but I'll try toning down the flanks some.... unfortunately I'm not expecting too much improvement...the image is just overexposed .

It seems that there is a real tradeoff with high ISOs ? I'm definitely hearing this advice.... I;m going to start trying to reduce iso settings...however given the f/6.7 aperture limit of my system (TC..) I'm concerned about reducing shutter speed ? My shooting preference is action shots.
Registered on July 20, 2010, 3 Posts, 20 Comments
Comment posted by Nate Chappell on July 24, 2010 at 1:43 AM
With that camera I wouldn't be concerned about using high isos if you need them to capture the action or shoot in low light, it's rated to have good iso performance up to 3200. However if you can decrease it some and still capture the action that's ideal as it will result in better image quality, especially if you have to do much cropping as you did here. I prefer not to use auto iso but to set it manually.
Registered on February 1, 2006, 1158 Posts, 19528 Comments
Comment posted by Derrick Lipinski on July 24, 2010 at 2:06 AM
Nicely captured action shot, Dan; welcome to NPN. I agree with Nate regarding the auto ISO. I prefer to have full control over all aspects of the techs and I don't much care for being surprised by the feature (even thought you can set the max ISO). As far as the Av f/16 setting, well... I think we've all experienced the "oh darn" (or whatever) experience of having captured a spectacular moment with our previous camera settings; it happens. I hear you on the predator/prey relationship, but it certainly does emphasize that nature is certainly not kind and gentle. Hoping to see more. :smile:
Registered on October 5, 2007, 58 Posts, 2039 Comments
Comment posted by Mia McPherson on July 24, 2010 at 7:54 AM
Dan,

I like the great action, the fish in the talon adds interest and I especially enjoy seeing the water coming off of the tail.

As I mentioned in your previous post I prefer to turn off auto ISO and set that manually myself. With the light you appear to have had when the image was created I don't think ISO 3200 was needed and may have contributed to loss of some detail in the plumage. The whites on the flanks are a bit bright and show little detail, you may be able to rework this in ACR and pull out more detail. I would not have used f16 for this image, probably f8 which would have blurred the background more and given you a fast enough shutter speed at ISO 400.
Registered on June 25, 2007, 491 Posts, 12566 Comments
Comment posted by David Haynes on July 24, 2010 at 11:07 AM
Welcome aboard Dan. I just got back from a long vacation so this is the first post I've seen of yours and it's a really good one. I understand getting caught for a shot with previous settings that don't bring out the full potential of a situation but with that camera, ISO 3200 shouldn't have much of a negative affect. Nobody else has picked up on this so maybe it's just me but I think the picture could use some CW rotation as both the front waterline where the blue water meets the green water and near the back where the water meets the reeds they both seems to be a very small distraction for me. Obviously the shot is slightly over-exposed but it's not too bad for me. Looks like you might be able to do some recovery. I personally would prefer a more blurred out background to isolate the subject matter and that means opening up quite a bit more than your F/16 setting. Like you said, if you had time to set up for the shot you would have made some changes. All in all a very nice post with a few nits almost all due to previous settings. Looking forward to more Dan. :biggrin:
Registered on February 20, 2010, 110 Posts, 1511 Comments
Comment posted by Gary Gulash on July 24, 2010 at 11:43 AM
Nicely balanced composition Dan and super timing. (Gary ask's himself, why the ____ can't I find an Osprey do this?) I agree with all the comments in this interesting thread. I chuckled when I read your comment about the critique process, so true! :biggrin:
Registered on January 28, 2005, 879 Posts, 12098 Comments
Comment posted by Dan Baldwin on July 24, 2010 at 1:14 PM
Thanks all.. great comments, suggestions and support :toast: . I agree with all. At some point I need to start offering some comments of my own to other's pics,
Thanks,
Dan
Registered on July 20, 2010, 3 Posts, 20 Comments
Comment posted by Dennis Plank on July 24, 2010 at 2:18 PM
Great action, Dan. I'll leave it at that, since others have ably discussed the technical issues. :toast:
Registered on January 28, 2008, 1767 Posts, 23192 Comments