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Whole Nuther Country 6
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Whole Nuther Country 6

by Bill Fach

Gallery: FloraPosted April 18, 2010132 views13 comments
Sony A700
Tokina 828 AT-X Pro @ 200mm, CP
ISO 200, 1/20 @ f16

Inks Lake SP, Llano County, Texas

More wildflower splendor from Texas,a whole nuther country. All comments welcome. >=))>

I posed this question in ES&S and got no satisfactory answer. This is much softer on the gallery than my finished image in PS. The image is sized properly prior to post so the site software should not be compressing it or altering it in any way yet a number of my recent posts with this much detail are losing something in transmission. I understand about JPEG compression but shouldn't that be evident in the final PS version? Any ideas :confused:

Addendum: Please note my response about 9 entries down. Seems this is a browser issue. Anyone else notice the same issue with Firefox?

Addendum 2: Problem solved and fix applied. Turns out somehow my Firefox display was zoomed :confused: :mad: Reset it and things look a lot better. :redface: Would that all my problems could be solved with a click. :rolleyes:

Comments

13 comments
Comment posted by Elisabeth Czwikla on April 18, 2010 at 4:40 PM
tough question, I keep having the same problem. Just never sems sharp as the original.
Like your post, wish I could be there in person. Find the top a bit distracting, those branches. May be a crop would help.
Registered on December 9, 2007, 145 Posts, 852 Comments
Comment posted by Charles Younger on April 18, 2010 at 5:40 PM
I have ocassionally resized the text on a page accidentally without realizing the image had also changed. Other than that I can't help.
Registered on January 15, 2010, 151 Posts, 269 Comments
Comment posted by Michael Lowe on April 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM
I'm really enjoying visiting the whole nuther country, Bill. I might be tempted to crop just a hair from the top. Wish I could help with your sharpness issue. It does look a little soft to me. :confused: :toast:
Registered on February 11, 2004, 777 Posts, 5252 Comments
Comment posted by Steven M Kahn on April 18, 2010 at 5:58 PM
Bill you in a blue mood out there in a whole nuther country? Or you running with one track? Whatever, SWEET! Even if soft on screen, which knowing it is a posting issue helps me feel good about your capture. :toast:
Registered on July 20, 2009, 140 Posts, 1198 Comments
Comment posted by David Schwaegler on April 18, 2010 at 8:25 PM
Bill,

Looks like you are having a great spring down there. As to the softness, two theories. Compression happens when you save, but the image in memory remains unchanged. So unless you close the file and reopen the compressed file, you won't see the changes.

If that isn't it perhaps your ISP is at fault. Some services (mostly low-band width) compress files to reduce transmission times. In the past when traveling I accessed the Internet over my cell phone through Sprint. Images had noticeably worse quality. Also some browsers speed up internet access, but do so by reducing image quality. Read about Opera turbo
here.

Registered on December 4, 2003, 232 Posts, 1652 Comments
Comment posted by Pat Sampson on April 18, 2010 at 8:45 PM
Beautiful shot Bill. Love the blue and yellow and I'm also very partial to the cactus. I might crop down a little from the top though as Michael suggested. For my tastes the trees don't strengthen the image.

With regard to the display question? Here's what I suspect is happening. Your viewing the image from the site on your web browser. Most likely Internet Explorer if you're running Windows or Safari if you're on a MAC. Although you may be running some other browser - Firefox, Chrome... The web browser is converting the jpeg to something your screen driver can understand and display. My guess is that the browser doesn't do as good a job of interpreting and converting the file as photoshop does. My assumption is that when photoshop opens the jpeg it converts it to it's internal psd format and to do that, it has to make some optimizing assumptions about the jpeg format and your computer environment. Again, my guess is that PS is really good at that, better than your browser and probably better than any browser on the market. To test this, you could put together a web page with a link to your image path on your machine, open the page with your browser and see what the image looks like. (Sorry but I don't even remember the html to do this. I think it's pretty simple though, if you want to look it up.) The image should look like what you see when you look at the image file that's on the site. If it doesn't, then something is altering the image file on the site and I don't think that's too likely. Alternatively, you could get a copy of the file back from the site and open it in PS. It should look just like it did before you sent it. Just guesses on my part but I think they're likely correct. (smile) If you're interested in pursuing the test, let me know and I'll look up the HTML and send you a web page template you can browse.

Pat

Registered on May 19, 2007, 953 Posts, 15989 Comments
Comment posted by Pat Sampson on April 18, 2010 at 8:51 PM
Bill,

David made his response when I was writing mine. Also a possibility. The test would help you in making the determination. Also, a shorter way of making my point about this would be to compare the jpeg file to a musical score. Some musicians are going to do a better job of playing it and I suspect that PS is very very good compared to the browsers.

Pat
Registered on May 19, 2007, 953 Posts, 15989 Comments
Comment posted by Nathan Buck on April 18, 2010 at 10:56 PM
Great shot Bill. I wish that I could help you with your sharpness question. I love the profusion of blooms here. We are finally getting some warm weather, and I bought a bunch of flowers this weekend to start planting my planters.

Nathan
Registered on November 1, 2003, 1101 Posts, 13589 Comments
Comment posted by Bill Fach on April 18, 2010 at 11:30 PM
Pat, David, et al: Thanks for your suggestions and I think I may be getting to the bottom of the issue. I normally run Firefox primarily because it has an automatic spell check and I find some other features a bit more to my liking than Internet Explorer. I opened up the site in IE and the image looks much better on it. I put up the shot in PS at 100% and in both browsers. The most glaring difference was the physical size of the images on the screen. In IE and PS the image is the same size while in Firefox it is noticeably larger, washed out and soft. The effect in Firefox is like graphics on a balloon that lose intensity with inflation. I don't recall noticing this in the past and wonder if some of the recent updates to Firefox are the culprits. Thanks for your concern and input. >=))>
Registered on November 1, 2003, 1805 Posts, 26981 Comments
Comment posted by Debashis Bandyopad on April 19, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Bill, I am in camp supporting a bit of crop from the top, but a nice capture all the same.. It's good to know that you have been able to bottom out the sharpening issue.. Though I use IE, it's a nice learning bit as well.
Registered on June 24, 2007, 130 Posts, 1309 Comments
Comment posted by John&Patty Benway on April 19, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Love the layers of color Bill, pretty country indeed. Good luck with your problem, never been able to figure it out.
John
Registered on May 12, 2006, 626 Posts, 8700 Comments
Comment posted by Paul Duval on April 20, 2010 at 8:15 AM
Bill,

Nice series, I hope the lupine last until the prickly pear bloom I see buds all over the pads. Is that possible? Were setting up for some more rain here in So Cal, may be some will make as far as the whole nuther country. Where blue isn't just a state of mind.

Paul
Registered on June 30, 2009, 508 Posts, 1907 Comments
Comment posted by JACK NEAL on April 20, 2010 at 4:06 PM
Love the shot! Did you try the Willow city loop?
Registered on September 26, 2009, 131 Posts, 554 Comments