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Need ID help please

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Posted by John Tobias on August 10, 2018 at 12:03 AM
Need ID help please
Photographed this bird here in central Illinois.  A large crop, a male gold finch had just landed in a tree some distance from where I was standing and this bird, which is larger than the finch chased it away.  I am thinking maybe an evening grosbeak?

Thank you for your help.
Posted by Jim Zablotny on August 10, 2018 at 7:35 AM
American goldfinch in  transition to its basic or winter plumage........................Jim
Posted by Charles Bell on August 10, 2018 at 12:59 PM
It could be an American Goldfinch in transition, but the fact that you said it was larger and chased the others away argues against that.  I think it could be an Evening Grosbeak in transition.  The dark on its backside is actually its wings.  The latter half of the grosbeak's wings are black.  I also like the stripe above the eye for the grosbeak  The thing that throws me off about the grosbeak id is the bill color.  It should be fading from green-yellow to pale, and in this photo it looks to have a reddish cast.  In a nutshell, I'm not sure.
Posted by Charles Bell on August 10, 2018 at 2:34 PM
On further thought...August is the prime breeding time for American Goldfinch.  Goldfinches should not yet be in transition.  So I am leaning toward the Evening Grosbeak, and dispite its color, the heavy beak looks more like a grosbeak beak than a goldfinch's.. 
Posted by Jim Zablotny on August 10, 2018 at 3:05 PM
The head and bill are too small for evening grosbeak. The size of the mint stem that the bird is perched on suggests that this is not a large bird. ....................Jim
Posted by Dennis Plank on August 10, 2018 at 4:20 PM
Definitely an American Goldfinch.  I don't know about the mid-west, but out here ours are well into transition.  The males are looking particularly scruffy at the moment, though the females are just starting to change.