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Circular polarizor for wide angles

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Posted by dean hebert on November 30, 2010 at 2:29 AM
I'm using a sigma 77mm cir polarizor on my canon 10-22 wide angle lens withless than stellar results. only a very small area seems to be affected. Is this common or is the polarizor to blame? Thanks for any help.Dean
Posted by David Bostedo on November 30, 2010 at 8:44 AM
Dean - The amount of polarization is dependent on the angle of light rays to the polarizer, with the strongest effect occurring when the light is around an angle of 90 degrees to the filter. So there could be two things going on :

1) You're using the polarizer with light coming directly from in front or behind. This would affect any lens and lessen the effects of the polarizer.
2) On a very wide angle lens such as the 10-22, as you move across the frame the angle of the light to the filter changes a lot, resulting in unevenness. This is usually most visible in skies as a darker patch that gets progressively lighter as you move away from it.

If #2 is your problem, the usual thing to try is turning the polarizer so that the effect is lessened but you still get some polarization.
Posted by Hank Pennington on November 30, 2010 at 12:19 PM
I've just about stopped using polarizers on wide angle lenses if there's much sky in the shot. They're immensely useful for reflection control, so when I need that I'll work to frame with as little sky as possible.

The alternative for me when lots of sky is needed in a shot is to use Selective Color in post processing. It's under Image->Adjustment. Go to the blue, cyan, white and neutral channels and use the Black slider in each. You can do an amazing job of "polarizing" skies after the fact.

Conversely, if you have an image that you decide was shot with too much effect from a polarizing filter on the lens, you can use the same Selective Color controls to "tame" the effect.
Posted by John Mumaw on November 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM
I'm with Hank.
However, if a polarizer can help with the foreground, then I'll shoot one image with it on and then one immediately after with it off to keep from buggering up the skies. Then it's just a matter of simply blending those images later.
Posted by Mel Ladewig on December 2, 2010 at 1:04 PM
I'm also in that camp and I'll add that it doesn't matter whether you're using linear or circular polarizers. Ultra-wide angle lenses can have angle of view around 85 degrees while polarizers are going to have their strongest effect at 90 degrees to the sun and less effect quickly at other angles. I work with the same methods as Hank and John. Make the sky a smaller portion of the composition, use a longer lens or shoot one at full polarization and then one with the filter turned 90 degrees for minimum polarization. Another alternative is to back off the full polarization at wide angles. You can still get some help cutting reflections from leaves and deepen the sky blue a bit, but the sky doesn't get the black-hole-sun look.
Posted by Jeffrey Sipress on December 14, 2010 at 2:11 PM
+1 to what Hank said. Image blending works, too.
Posted by dean hebert on December 14, 2010 at 9:49 PM
Thanks for everyones replies. I'm thinking I'll just give -up the polarizor on the wide end. :toast:
Posted by Hank Pennington on December 15, 2010 at 9:15 AM
Keep it in the bag Dean. In some locations and shots it's really useful. But as you observe, it's not a "universal" tool.
Posted by Stan Rose on February 5, 2011 at 9:57 AM
I disagree with the others. You can learn to avoid the sky discontinuities. Besides reflection control, the haze reduction and color enhancement is a big advantage, IMO. Also, while there are other protective filters, none of them are quite as useful as a CP, and when i smashed two thin CPs on my last photo shoot, i was extremely grateful that my lens wasn't taking the impact! I use a polarizer probably 80+ % of the time.
Posted by Lynn Jones on October 5, 2011 at 4:28 PM
The only reason for a circular VS a lilnear polarizer is because of the construction of the camera. If you have semi transparent mirrors in a camera system (usually because of a metering system), with a linear it will sometime be abosolutely visually opaque leaving some very strange exposures.

Lynn