Deadman's Chute
by Lon Overacker
Hey folks,
Thank you for your comments on the last image and series. Images from our Sonora Pass trip are dwindling down. Good thing fall is around the corner so I hopefully can go shooting again!
I had been passing on this one for a while and finally decided to put it through the processing paces. The colors, especially in the water are boosted up a little. I liked the blue/green look as if this were glacial run off (well, it's snow melt off for sure...) The remaining color is pretty true, although I'm always tweaking with a goal of natural and believability. Hopefully this comes across that way.
In full disclosure this is a blend of two frames. The best frame I had of the overall flow of the stream didn't have very good detail in the area immediately above the feldspar/granite rock at the bottom. I stacked the images and blended in at a medium opacity to bring in texture from a different frame. Hope this looks natural too. Also, some content aware cloning in the LLC corner. The was a small willow hanging over that corner. I could have cropped out, but would have lost about 1/3 of the rock and also disrupted the flow. Hindsight is 20/20, I'm trying to remember if I could have gently held the branch away during exposure, but alas, I didn't do that. So, content-aware fun. Large master file it's not such a great job. but looks ok for these web sizes.
I have a question for you if you care to respond. I think disclosure is a good thing and warranted if you're presenting something that wasn't there. My question is though, Do you care to know what has been altered, blended, cloned? Or would you rather just see the image for what it is, and not know how it was created? Maybe a good topic for one of the forums?
Regardless, I'm still and always welcoming your critiques and suggestions.
Thanks!
Comments
10 commentsI appreciate you disclosed.
I would not have noticed. As far as color goes for the water, I have no problem at all with adding color.
People reduce it (B&W) all the time for the effect so introducing color within reason is fine with me.
As far as the image, I might take a bit off the top (to just above the first 2 rocks on the left). The SS is nice and the color looks natural.
Regarding the sharing of processing of an image - I generally think it's a good idea. I think it should be optional. The reason is that I often can't retrace the steps I took to do something. However I always am greatly appreciative of those with great skills who share them - John Williams, Harry Lichtman. The only issue for sharing that I can imagine is that the observer then focuses on what was done and becomes particularly critical of, say, the cloning area. Another words, if I'm looking at a Van Gogh does it really help me to be directed to the weakest part of his painting? Is it fair to him? But if the painter is looking for a review of a specific problem then he might want to point out where it is. So there are 2 goals to share processing (1) to teach the user (2) to get feedback from user. As you noted, it's a big subject.
Now I have a question for you if you care to respond. I have noticed that you, Preston, and Harley each take the suggestions of one another seriously and implement them but rarely do so from others who take the time to do it. I am frankly puzzled by this. Is this because they are the ones that give the best suggestions or because your friendship has provided a trust that isn't there with others? The reason I bring it up is because it discourages others from commenting after a while. And, yes, I am stirring the pot.
Actually, this subject could be generalized and opened up further. Do we all have criticism that we take more seriously than others? Do we all have favored critiquers that we look forward to and largely ignore the rest? Probably. Is this just natural or should this be discouraged. Nothing in the list of critique recommendations give guidance on this.
The color, especially the water, looks fine to me; perhaps a departure from reality, but is not that true of all photography? We interpret a scene as it fits with our emotions at the time.
With regard to disclosure of manipulations:
- Minor cloning/spotting need not be disclosed
- Adding elements that were not in the original capture should be disclosed
- Blending of differing exposures should be disclosed*
- Significant cloning/content aware move of elements should be disclosed
- Pano stitching should be disclosed
- Focus stacking for depth of field should be disclosed*.
- Significant cropping of the original frame should be disclosed.
*With regard to focus stacking: It is a toss-up whether or not it needs to be disclosed. In my opinion disclosing that is instructive in nature so that others can possibly apply the technique to their own images. The same could be said for blending of different exposures of the same scene.The above is not to be taken as hard and fast rules for NPN, but only as suggestions as to what should, or need not be disclosed, and as such are only my personal criteria. Please remember that NPN has always been about the enjoyment of nature photography, the pursuit of excellence, and learning.
--P
Great high Sierra scene and the processing looks good to me. Would not have thought much about the water color if you didn't bring it up (looks natural enough to me). As far as disclosures, I'm more concerned with the end result than the method of getting there, but I do think it's good to note certain things like exposure blending, etc.
I always like to know what was done to an image, and especially in the context of a critique site like NPN. I think it helps to know what techniques are out there for creating images. I don't mind if certain things are not shared, like minimal cloning of stray leaves or the like. I frequently use two or more exposures for this type of scene due to the varying textures in different areas of the water. I don't feel like this needs to be disclosed, although I always do for the reason I mention above.
I think that if more significant compositing of images is done, like adding a different sky or even a sky from the exact same view but maybe hours apart, that should be disclosed, and the image can be judged as a composite image rather than as a moment in time. I have no problem with people creating these composite images, so long as they're not trying to pass it off as a capture of a moment in time.
Lon, this is a very solid image especially for some of the key points you mention about the post processing items too. I use the CA command a lot for easier then cloning attacks. But for the purpose you mentioned it can be good up to a point. The larger files can leave some artifacts to clean up. I agree with most of the list Preston has provide about the disclosures. Although admittedly I do not post many of my own. It is not to leave out or hide any disclosures, it's just the fact I do not keep track of my process changes like many folks might do. If it is a key point I will recall it and point it out without hesitation as I think one should. But if it is in general cleanup of an image I rarely recall things to make a point about.
Anyway, I really like this as a closeup and intimate take on this small area of this stream. And, it includes a bit of diagonal flow to the image, which always works for me on water flow scenes like this one. This is an extremely fine image as a final product here.....