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The Remnant

by Brian Schrayer

Gallery: LandscapePosted September 16, 2012273 views6 comments
It seems the clouds like to tease me. They appear promising and then just before sunset they just vanish and I am left with clear blue skies. That was true on this night at least but I captured this image as the clouds were vanishing and these were the remnant of the clouds.

An hour later you would never have known these clouds were even there.

I like this image a lot more in monochrome. I converted this to B&W in Photoshop and adjusted the color channels to get the contrast that I wanted as a starting point. I also used luminosity masks and painting in post processing to control tonality.

All honest comments and critiques are welcome. Please feel free to tell me if the processing is over the top on this one.

The one thing that is still bothering me about this is that I am having a hard time getting the separation between the foreground and the background.

D700
21mm
1/5 sec; f16

Comments

6 comments
Comment posted by Dean Sauskojus on September 17, 2012 at 2:25 AM
The clouds are awesome Brian! I see what you mean by separating the elements. You may have to go over it by hand to bring out the different shades of black to white. Tedious but I think worth a shot. Nice work.
Registered on September 29, 2009, 137 Posts, 2659 Comments
Comment posted by Lon Overacker on September 17, 2012 at 3:05 AM
Brian,

Great clouds! Too bad they didn't stick around, and I certainly know what you mean. All the good ones seem to disappear at the end of the day. And I know there's an atmospheric explanation to it.

Tough call on trying to separate the foreground. and by that do you mean the foreground hill? I can see that being tough to separate especially since it seems to be connected through the background. I suppose you could do some hand painting/masking, but would be tough as Dean suggests. But may be worth a try.

I wanted to ask about the peaks in the distance. The tops all seem dark which makes me think of a hard grad, but I don't think that's the case - are they naturally darker? OR a different color and then the b&w conversion makes the color a darker tone? I think the tones and contrast in the clouds are great. If you could somehow increase the midtone contrast throughout the bottom part of the image, that could help. Wish I had some better suggestions. Definitely worth working on.

Lon
Registered on November 24, 2006, 521 Posts, 19147 Comments
Comment posted by Nick Bristol on September 17, 2012 at 9:48 AM
Brian, Those clouds look great and I like this scene with the b/w conversion. I think Dean and Lon have given some thoughts that might help with the seperation of the foreground. I'm not really sure how you would do it otherwise, but I think it looks pretty good as you have it. I know that feeling of the clouds vanishing before sunset all to well myself... :biggrin: Seems to happen to me most of the time.

Nick Bristol
Lone Rock, WI
Registered on February 1, 2004, 752 Posts, 14140 Comments
Comment posted by Peter Richter on September 17, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Brian, the clouds are doubtlessly the main elements of interest in this image for me. In my opinion you handled the b&w conversion well to show the drama in the sky.

To my eye the top of the mountain chain is a bit too dark compared to the foreground. That is just the opposite to what one might expect. I am not sure whether this is the effect of a GND filter or from post processing. Nevertheless, it is an intriguing image to me.

Peter

Registered on November 10, 2010, 218 Posts, 2723 Comments
Comment posted by Brian Schrayer on September 17, 2012 at 9:13 PM
Thanks for the comments everyone. A couple of things in response to the questions - when I mention that I am having a hard time achieving separation between the foreground and the background I am talking about the foreground hill - especially toward the top of the hill. It just seems to blend in too much with the background. Using luminosity painting techniques I darkened the left side of the foreground hill and lightened the tonality of the background but it still didn't provide quite enough tonal separation. I may need to work on it a bit more - I was hesitant to push it too far.

I think the dark areas along the canyon rim are the result of processing - I didn't use a grad and this is a single exposure capture. I agree that they need to be lightened up - that should be easy enough.

If anyone is interested I took this image at Palo Duro Canyon State Park near Amarillo, TX where I live. I have had a hard time getting solid comps from here and this is definitely my best to date. It pays to keep trying!!
Registered on May 28, 2004, 114 Posts, 2890 Comments
Comment posted by Morris McClung on September 20, 2012 at 10:59 PM
The comp is very good imo, Brian. I think familiarity will help in choosing comps. Look what Stan Rose has done over the years with the Great Sand Dunes. He has that place dialed in, and your repeated visits will help you do the same here. Sometimes the shapes, tones, and light conspire to rob an image of separation of it's elements. That appears to be what's going on here. I think all of the suggestions are worth pursuing, and you might try to darken the back cliffs some, and lighten the foregroud hill to see if it will bring it forward some.

Also, is the front hill actually connected to the back cliffs? If it is, you might revisit it again when a storm is approaching and move to the right to reveal the connection and actually tie them together instead of trying to separate them.

I do like the conversion and the range of tones you have, with the sky being keenly dramatic. Nice work.
Registered on May 7, 2007, 670 Posts, 19650 Comments